Mickleover Sports v Witton Albion, U1S

Totally agree with Mona.

We are all Wittoners and want the same thing, success and longevity for our great club! I voiced my opinion regards Gary, not just in the last few weeks but when he was appointed and also before Christmas. I desperately want to be proved wrong and like everyone else I am behind the team and him for the run in. I hope it is our turn to creep into the last play-off spot (even if it takes until the final Saturday) and then for Pritch to miss-hit an overhead kick in the play-off final.

Passionate fans who come and watch every week and care about the club should voice their opinion, we need as many people as we can to care about this club and its future.

Managers have to deal with criticism, go on to the Liverpool forum (not that you would want to) and there will be heaps of anti-Benitez posts, where as when they won the Champions League he was draped in glory. It’s the nature of the game, generally when teams win it is generally the players that get the plaudits and when they lose the manager gets most of the criticism.

Whether I agree with the decisions and tactics over the last 8 months of the season or not, only the final month now matters, now is the time to make it come together.

Wise words, mate.

Hang on a minute! 81 posts regarding our away defeat to runaway leaders in a game by all accounts we played pretty well, but a significant number of people feel the need to slag off the manager.

Home win (by WHS score!), clean sheet and it gets a paltry 14 posts - sometimes it makes you want to …

eddiec wrote:

[quote]Hang on a minute! 81 posts regarding our away defeat to runaway leaders in a game by all accounts we played pretty well, but a significant number of people feel the need to slag off the manager.

Home win (by WHS score!), clean sheet and it gets a paltry 14 posts - sometimes it makes you want to …[/quote]
You probably need to answer this one yourself Eddie, you’ve posted twice on this thread and not on the Brigg thread after the 3-0 home win (or for that matter the Goole thread when we won 6-0).

I guess people just like moaning more. Feel free to post as many positive messages as you can to help redress the balance!

B)

How many other threads have I not posted on? I’ll give you some time to check back…personally, I couldn’t be bothered counting.

If you click on a persons name it shows you their last posts, so no counting is required.

I wasn’t having a go Eddie, but you can’t moan that people are not posting on threads after the team wins games and not post on them yourself. It’s a bit like fans that complain that crowds are low but then don’t have a reason for not turning up every week.

You said that 14 posts was a paltry amount after a home win, I don’t disagree with the point your making, so post on it and put some arguments forward for why people should not be ‘slagging off the manager’.

It’s a sad fact that bad news get printed, good news rarely does. They set up a newspaper in the USA a few years ago that only printed good news, it went bust!! For instance, amongst all the doom and gloom about our economy has anyone seen much mention of the fact that retail sales are well up on last year and the Stock Market has gained nearly 1500 points in the last twelve months? Let’s concentrate on the good that is going on with our club, we still have a chance of the play offs, the tax man is not threatening to shut us down and we still have many loyal supporters like you lot.
WHS.
WHS

Ok Wincham, lets bury this and by the way I can post what I like and how often I like. My complaint is about people’s propensity to slag the manger at the earliest opportunity - end of.

Of course anyone can post what the feck they like but the numpties who slate the manager at any oppertunity ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, unless they can be the manager and allow me to insult them roundly and see how they like it!!

At the earliest opportunity? I have to disagree.

If we look at the managers recent CV, it will show he was appointed to keep us up last season. However, after leading us to midtable - and apparent safety - he took us down. I would say that that was a pretty good opportunity for the fans to criticise him. They didnt, and he was awarded a 2 year contract (on the basis that he was confident we could win the league this year, but at the very least make the play offs).

So this season we were expecting a title challenge. It hasnt materialised. I think every body is in agreement that this is a poor poor league, yet we sit in 8th position. EIGHTH. In a poor poor league. Our records shows that we have won 18 games, drawn 5, and lost 13. In a poor poor league we have failed to win the exact same amount of games as we have won. We have lost 13 games. THIRTEEN! So we have only lost 5 less games than we have won. Do the fans not have a right to expect a better return than that? I would say that we do. So our expectaions have not been met. The logicial outcome of that is dissatisfaction towards the manager. I think that is pretty justified. Has he faced criticism on here? Recently yes he has. But we had probably lost 9 or 10 games this season before that really started to happpen, so again i would disagree that this was at the earliest opportunity.

Back in August we limped weakly out of the FA Cup at home to Congleton. That’s AT HOME to a lower leage side who were missing almost half of their first choice side. So we tumbled out of the FA Cup, a valuable potential source of revenue. Was there any widespread criticism of the manager at this point? No there wasnt. So that was yet another opportunity to criticise that wasnt taken, so again i would have to disagree with any suggestion that people are criticising the manager at the earliest opportunity.

Now of course what people did choose to do rather than voicing criticism was to simply stop attending matches. So now match day revenue is down considerably. The result of this? A cut to the playing budget. So we have now lost Foster - a vital source of goals. Goals win matches, which leads to climbing the table, which leads to people coming back to games.

Instead we are in a situation where people arent coming to games anymore. And not just the ‘floaters’ and stay aways, but some prominent Wittoners. The reasons for this are all noted above. So should the manager expect to face some criticism? Yes he should - that is football. He brings the players in (he also moves them on…), he picks the team, he decides the tactics, he organises training, and he sends them out to play on a Saturday.

We have not been good enough all season, yet the criticism has only gathered pace in recent weeks. If anything i think that the manager has gotten off lightly. I would also say that everybody who has been critical - myself included - would love to see Gary win promotion for us and force us all to eat some humble pie. I cant see it happening though. So he is going to face further criticism. Has he faced criticism in person during or after matches? No he hasnt. It is his choice whether he reads this forum or not, if he chooses not to then he wont see the criticism anyway. He was given a task last year, which he failed in. He was given another task this season, which he again looks like failing.

The manager answers to the Chairman, but he also answers to the fans. If the fans do not think that his performance this season has been acceptable, and if they want to voice it on here, then they have every right to do so.

No matter how much you want to defend the manager, the facts prove that he is pretty difficult to defend. Relegation, dumped out of the FA Cup by Congleton, 13 league defeats, 39 different players used this season, and falling attendances. Not manay managers would still be in a job, so if the worst he has to endure is a few harsh word on a fans forum then i dont think he will have too many complaints about that to be honest!

No no no no…yes

An excellent well written post Robbo, whether people like it or not.

I don’t want the club to make knee jerk reactions on managerial changes, I would hate Witton to become one of those clubs. We did it with Nigel Deeley and made him a scapegoat, when the reality was the job was much bigger than the time he was given. As a result we completely lost the services of a good Wittoner who certainly could have played a role in helping us to rebuild the club.

We’ve played 50 games in the league and cup this season (13 defeats in the league and cup exits including Congleton, AFC Fylde and Runcorn).

Out of this 50 games how many have we played well in? Rushall, Kidsgrove, Sheffield, Goole at home, Loughborough and Quorn away, plus a couple of excellent FA Trophy performances. So that’s about 10! I can genuinely only recount 10 or a dozen good performances out of 50!

If that’s good enough then let’s offer the manager a contract extension, but the side will be soon be playing in front of three men and a dog! Perhaps given the resources we have and size of the local area we accept that, Is Unibond 1 our level and therefore a top half finish in this league good enough? If this is the case then peoples expectations will have to adjust accordingly.

OK MM

I am not a Numptie and I am not ashamed to post on this forum.

I have consistently posted on here that I would not have had Finley back as manager and to present I have been proved right by ;-

Poor performances
Falling attendances
Lack of discipline
No man management
Lack of communication with the supporters(essential at this level)

If we can get out of this league this time I will be delighted but I just can’t see it.

Lee Coatup was his connection between himself and the fans but he got rid of him - why ? ( Was he too popular with the fans ? )

Apart from this forum we have been very patient with him but then thats what forums are all about. You voice your opinion - sometimes seriously but most of the time it is with tongue in cheek. I seem to remember the unnecessary slating that Nigel got especially at the FC United game from fans fuelled by ale and influenced more by their hatred of MAN UTD. I have only heard one knobhead shout for Finley to go this season.

eligorton wrote:

I think that this is open to debate…

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eligorton wrote:

[quote]OK MM

I have only heard one knobhead shout for Finley to go this season.[/quote]

I think we all have an idea who this extremely opinionated ‘supporter’ is :wink:

I very much regret using the “numpty” word and I apologise for it!! Sorry

I respect other Wittoners wiews, we all want the same thing-The Albs playing at the level we want (Unibond prem/BSN) and decent crowds ay WP.

I just feel that slating the manager, whoever it is, is counterproductive. Frustration with the level we have sunk to is bound to lead to emotions coming to the fore though!!! COME ON ALBIOOOOON!

Excellent post ROBBO.You have backed up what I’ve been thinking with facts. I don’t mind being a Numpty or a knobhead for critizing the manager as I personally feel he’s not the man for the job long term and Robbos facts bear this out. I’ve watched the club over 50 years now and feel I’ve earned the right to criticise when I think its necessary. For me the Brigg game was a complete farce and thats when I got so angry at the lack of discpline and effort as with the Glapwell game. However as stated I hope the manager proves me and his other detractors wrong and we get in the play offs. I’ll continue support from the terraces anyway and leave my usual moans to this forum to vent my spleen as it were!!
Heartened by the way we kept going and fought back on Saturday even though we lost.We need to keep up this effort lads so keep it going and lets hope for a decent Ref and a bit of luck!!

Dead on Robbo, but sadly we don’t have the cash to sack him, he has to go of his own accord, and with his record over the last 18 months who would give him a job? So he won’t go and we will be stuck with him next season unless we stump up the money that is required to sack him, and I certainly don’t have that kind of cash, do you?
WHS.

Well said Robbo.