The Derby Predictions

I didn’t ask for an apology but is it not strange how the two people who like this post are ddh and Jonny A, says a mouthful that!
Incidentally, there is no such thing as a plastic club (apart from those that exist with plastic money).

I also think that should Albion ever go that way then you would welcome a fans run reincarnation. If not then you obviously dont give a crap for your fellow fans. After all a club is nothing without its fans is it not? And a club that treats is fans with the disdain Vics have shown deserves all the bad publicity it gets.

I also think that should Albion ever go that way then you would welcome a fans run reincarnation. If not then you obviously dont give a crap for your fellow fans. After all a club is nothing without its fans is it not? And a club that treats is fans with the disdain Vics have shown deserves all the bad publicity it gets.[/quote]

Appreciate the view Chubbs but we probably haven’t got the fan base to start a new club akin to the likes of FCUM, Chester, Halifax etc etc. God willing it will never happen but if it did that would be it for me. Witton in its current form for me forever.

I would not be involved with any new club whilst Witton Albion was around, if Witton went bust then to try and revive it yes but it would be the same club not a false version (hence the term plastic ) of the existing club it would have been better to start a brand new club not using dates from the other clubs history and the same colours also FCUM even sing Man U songs !

UTA

With respect, until you have lived through the agony and anguish of your club of 40+ years becoming an evicted, exiled and reviled laughing stock you can’t really judge how you would react. Like many others, I wrestled with the dilemma and my own conscience for many months before consigning that representation of the green side of town to history in my eyes. We never abandoned the club, it abandoned us, the fans, by (in the form of its then/current (?) owner) turning its back on us at every opportunity.

I sincerely hope that you never have to make the choice that we were forced to make.

[quote=“C.J.” post=60577]I would not be involved with any new club whilst Witton Albion was around, if Witton went bust then to try and revive it yes but it would be the same club not a false version (hence the term plastic ) of the existing club it would have been better to start a brand new club not using dates from the other clubs history and the same colours also FCUM even sing Man U songs !

UTA[/quote]

With respect CJ that wasn’t the scenario. It was, had everything that has happened to Vics happened to Witton, would you be a Colin or a James, by your answer, I think you have answered you would be a Colin. Fair enough.

A supporter of a team is a supporter for life!

At the top level I know many Citeh and Chelski supporters who hate what has happened to their clubs identity (regardless of success) but they still watch and support their team, even if its from the armchair more these days.

The 1874 debate has two facets for me, firstly at non-league level it is more personal so there are many spats within clubs and a larger percentage of the supporters ‘care’ and get involved, so a few hundred people make a difference and can get stretched to the point where they feel powerless and ‘break away’, so I get that.

The second part is on a more local level, the majority of now disenchanted V*cs supporters only actually became disenchanted when they started dropping through the leagues, failed to own or have any influence on their ground and ultimately moved away from the town,ie the point where it could get no worse.

As we have seen through history lots of people turn the other cheek and ignore the blindingly obvious when it suits, in the green fanbase’s case most have known for the last 30 years (not the last 4 years) that their club was spending more than it brought in, yet remained oblivious throughout.

The whole town knew that they couldn’t build a new stadium for the money they were left with after the sale of the DF, yet Messrs Nuttall (he will always be public enemy No.1 for me for creating the rule change that denied Witton any chance of access to the NPL) Messrs Stone and co carried on blindly, blaming the Council, Witton and anyone else they could think of for their ineptitude.

Cue the Connett and JR era, Conference football, cup runs and carvery’s - ALL UNSUSTAINABLE but all lauded by the supporters for many years, didn’t hear too many shouting for regime change when they were playing against Sunderland and Charlton.

Not many stood in solidarity with James Wood and the few that saw the light and railed against the egotistical owners and the systematic dismantling of the club they supported for life.

1874 will be playing us soon and will be here for a long time, to suggest anything else is just folly but as long as there is an NVFC they will never get the fanbase they should expect (ie in the 700 plus bracket).

I do agree with the 1874 lot on one thing however I still believe that the decision to allow the other lot to share was one of the worst days work we ever did (and it’s a 3 years deal according to Monday’s programme), but that subject is closed unfortunately.

UTA

From what I understood whilst it is a 3 year agreement in principle it is renewable each season by review and the agreement of both Parties, so if we are not happy with the deal as agreed or in performance of the tenancy we could I suspect not renew ! but so far as I can see at this stage nothing is currently an issue, they are paying and behaving as a good tenant should.

Andy Chad, I can understand your point of view, and yes, there were many who preferred to ignore the signs around them (and naively believed for example that the cup runs would pay off the debts, rather than being swallowed up in “other expenses”), but on the basis of what you say you would have told Wimbledon fans to carry on supporting the franchise in Milton Keynes, backed Robert Maxwell’s attempt to merge Oxford and Reading in the 80s and as a Coventry fan you’d have happily journeyed to Northampton for home games. Sometimes there is a straw which breaks the camel’s back, a tipping point, a sea change - otherwise these sayings would never exist. Better late than never - there’s another. Our “Road to Damascus” moment was a combination of being evicted from the place the fans had helped to build and having the Chairman brandish a red card to the club’s fans at the FCUM game. We simply did what he clearly wanted us to do, we left.

All different cases to be taken on their merits.

Coventry absolutely they were still and are still Coventry and if I were a sky blue I’d have travelled to Northampton temporarily.

Wimbledon totally renamed and rebranded and moved the football club with no notion of it being ever and anywhere near Wimbledon again so again the choice was made for the supporters who have done a fantastic job.

Merger is a totally different subject so Thames Valley Royals if memory serves me correctly would have been a totally new club and if it had gone ahead I am sure the residents of Oxford and Reading respectively would have formed their own club.
BUT the biggest issue I have is it wasn’t until the very last moment where the ground was going and for various financial irregularities Vcs were dropping through the leagues that any action was taken to form a new clubs.
While the good times were there and you were knowingly spending money that you didn’t have not many were dissenting.

I am not condoning the actions or existence of the sham of a club you once supported I am just pointing out the facts.

You were already planning your new club Mr longham before the FC match, your chairman even told me so himself at the whitby away match that he was starting up a new club without Jim Rushe, even before the news of Vics demotion

We have been Witton Albion since 1887 and we will be until 2287 and beyond B) No fcuking about we know what we are and we always will do! The pride of Northwich and the pride of Cheshire. Always have been and always will be. UTA

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Well said Paul S.
WHS.