Witton Albion vs Carlton Sat 5th March

Sad day all round today.

Mike Moseley suffered a suspected leg break just above the ankle which will unfortunately be the the end of the current season for him.

Secondly this defeat today signals the end of the season as far as accomplishing a play-off spot is concerned.

qDiscipline in the team has again cost us dearly under the present manager and questions must now be asked. The injury to Mike did not help and the referee also contributed to reducing this game to a very low level. But at the end of the day we were not good or strong enough against a Carlton team who took their chances well.

The only shining light was the performance by Ryan Broadhead who again proved what an accomplished and adaptable footballer he is.( There are surely more of his sort in local football).

Eli,

agree with most of what you say, but would add, the referee was absolutely atrocious, helers tackle was not a sending off offence barely a yellow, the tackle by the keeper on Mike was reckless and far worse, im more worried about the managers ineptitude than i am about the lack of discipline I know he has injuries but the squad depth is woeful, and if im not mistaken that would be his 1st choice back 4 and it is dreadful - no pace at all no real marking and disorganised at best on our bad days we are so easy to beat its laughable, I dont know what else to say cannot think of one positive out of today, feel really sorry for Mike and hope he gets well soon and makes full recovery, if it was me id be looking closely for the next manager whilst trying to build for next season, this one is over for sure but lets keep supporting them its not a time to stop watching or we risk real trouble.

The full-backs are too small and not good defenders,McAllister is a better full-back than Lloyd and it was Pritch’s first game for a while. Ruffer lost it completely for an experienced non-league player and we should never have signed Brodie back again. All Fosters goals have now meant nothing to us with his reckless sending off the other week.
Agree Heler was unlucky to be sent off but now he will be missing for 3 games.

We should IMO never have brought this manager back in again after the way he left last time. It is time to give someone else a go who will get a better blend of experience and youth( local preferred ) ready for next season. We do not want supporters staying away but the rubbish that was served up today was hardly encouraging. It will be interesting to see how many renew ST next season and if we continue to OVERCHARGE @ £8.50 & £5.50 in this awful league we are stuck in.

KTF and thats not Finley

Season is far from over yet guys…

11 games and 33 points to play for.

Get behind the team.

11 more pies u mean Come on the Albs !

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Absolutely disgraceful performance, not good enough , and some of these players continue to take the P@@s.
after the support and backing this team gets from behind the scenes and off the terraces I find the return this season very insulting.
Its not acceptable

3 school-boy goals to concede - and you can’t blame that on having players missing. It’s poor organisation, plain and simple. As CJ says, apart from Booth, that is our strongest back 5. And it was awful.

Too many players go missing in games. No fight at all when it’s needed, but then there is plenty of petulance once the game is lost. Ruffer’s tackle that got him booked was ridiculous.

Peter Heler was unfortunate to be sent off. But again, it was a challenge that he didn’t need to be making in that area of the pitch.

I know over the season we have been unlucky with injuries, but most of today’s starting line up would feature in the majority of games. We are suffering more at the moment because of unneccessary suspensions (and players not turning up for matches).

I’m not going to lower myself to the standard of some ‘supporters’ and shout mindless abuse from the terraces, but i can’t defend what i watched today.

This football club is well supported for a side at this level, but that wont continue if things don’t change quickly. I thought Finley was the kind of manager we needed when he came in, and initially that proved to be the case. This season however we have only flattered to deceive. To many good players just not performing - and to be quite frank, from what i saw in the bar after the game, just not caring either. If you haven’t got enough pride to put in better performances than today, then as far as i am concerned you can all go and play elsewhere.

I can accept us getting beat by better sides, but i have only seen a handful of decent sides all season. Our home record is pretty dire for a team who were expected to challenge for promotion.

It is no longer a knee-jerk reation - the manager has to take accountability. You can make a case for bad luck, but when it comes down to it after 40+ games a team will always finish where it is good enough to finish. In a poor league we look like finishing in or around mid-table. It isn’t good enough.

In my opinion, it is time for a change of manager.

Can’t argue with any of the above.

Interestingly this was my post from 3 months 3 weeks ago, we had just played Carlton Town away?

I stand by what I said at the time, with the exception that in the 3 months and 3 weeks since this post I am now more convinced than I ever was that the manager is not the right man for the job. That said I expect him to be here for some time so I hope and pray that he proves me wrong!

I’ll use the old post below to save me wasting time writing anything on yesterday’s debacle

Eli, I’m not suggesting a change at the moment, the reality is that the manager’s contract makes that pretty hard anyway. I wouldn’t make a knee-jerk reaction on this although we have played poorly for a number of weeks now. At the moment, like or it or not, the only thing on Gary’s current managerial CV is having taken us down. Personally I think the ‘jury is out’ and the situation would have to be considered seriously if we were dropping down the table come January, especially given some of the quality players in the squad.

What I am suggesting is that the manager needs to consider some of his decisions and has to create a harmonious squad and in the same way as we should not necessarily make knee-jerk reactions neither should he. For example stripping Booth of the captaincy and handing this to Rudd only created another problem, if the captain is a ‘sure pick’ for the team then in what position? Gary needs to look really closely at maximising the full potential of the squad we have, putting players in their correct positions and balancing the budget based upon value for money in the players we have, then systematically he can look to bring new faces in to improve key positions in the team.

Do I think Gary will do this, the answer is probably no. I think he is very much ‘his own man’ and whilst this is not necessarily a bad feature in a manager it worries me that at times this style and this determination can stray into a negative.

TWS, I stand by my previous statement in that your support to the club is exemplary and to contribute to the cause is a tremendous gesture. That said I think you and for that matter anyone else deserves to see their money spent wisely. John McAliskey will hopefully prove to be a good player and we have to give the lad a chance to show this. I believe however he has recently taken a long time (up to a year) out of the game to go traveling and I am not sure that as a club we actually watched him play before we signed him? I may be wrong and if so my apologies, but to be honest TWS it sharpens the need for the money to be spent wisely went it is coming directly from a fan. I had a look on google this evening to read some other comments on him and they don’t sound too complimentary from Wrexham fans www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A23655305 But I repeat, let the lad have a chance and lets see him work hard to show he really wants to play and how good he is.

Mauler and Eli are right too, let’s pad the squad out with two or three local lads who want to play football rather than pick up a brown envelope. The misguided fool in green yesterday shows what a young local lad is capable of, why don’t we have two or three like him who we are bringing on with coaching.

The reasons for asking questions is that I believe they are points of real debate, some will agree, others will disagree. Above all we want to see progress, togetherness and a season that concludes with promotion back to the NPL. Sometimes you have to shake the tree for the fruit to fall off!!! I would rather it was shaken now than get to March and be 12th in the league. Everyone needs to pull their socks up and really really focus on the job in hand.

Have held off till now partly to calm down (and partly due to this site being an utter nightmare for the last few days with “Account suspended” page coming up!)

The contrast between yesterday and the previous Saturday is stark, why is that?

Were we worse, or was the opposition better?

A combination I reckon, Carl Lamb missing, Foster missing due to his stupidity, different central defence partnership???

If it’s true that players are showing a “don’t care” attitude after a performance like that then it’s just not good enough!

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marston mauler wrote:

[quote]Have held off till now partly to calm down (and partly due to this site being an utter nightmare for the last few days with “Account suspended” page coming up!)
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Several people asked me yesterday what has been up with the site. The answer is nothing! The site was transferred to a new cloud server which in theory will give 100% up time as it does not rely on a single physical server. The transfer was carried out last Sunday and completed in the early hours of Monday morning. Since then there have been no problems with this site! Those of you having problems need to investigate your own PC’s settings (especially cache) and / or question your ISP.

Thought for a minute you were going to blame the referee Mike.

Some moaning gits on here - I have had no problems with this excellent website !

Can,t help thinking that the horrific injury to Mike let the manager off the hook yesterday. I know we had players missing but the team formation was poor.
Playing Brodie up front was a disaster as it was 2 seasons ago against Fleetwood.
" The Special One " always played him wide but he just has’nt got the legs for it now.

Mike_T wrote:

[quote]marston mauler wrote:

[quote]Have held off till now partly to calm down (and partly due to this site being an utter nightmare for the last few days with “Account suspended” page coming up!)
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Several people asked me yesterday what has been up with the site. The answer is nothing! The site was transferred to a new cloud server which in theory will give 100% up time as it does not rely on a single physical server. The transfer was carried out last Sunday and completed in the early hours of Monday morning. Since then there have been no problems with this site! Those of you having problems need to investigate your own PC’s settings (especially cache) and / or question your ISP.[/quote]

I have been trying all day to get on the site and have only just managed to - despite being able to log on fine last night. I have also been getting the ‘Account Suspended’ message. I have been doing nothing differently, and have changed no settings, so why is that i can get on sometimes but not at other times? Why are several people all getting the same problem? Why has this only been happening in the last week (since the server change!)?

Mike, there is obviously an issue somewhere here. It is too coincidental for multiple people to be getting identical problems.

Robbo_ wrote:

[quote]Mike_T wrote:

[quote]marston mauler wrote:

[quote]Have held off till now partly to calm down (and partly due to this site being an utter nightmare for the last few days with “Account suspended” page coming up!)
[/quote]

Several people asked me yesterday what has been up with the site. The answer is nothing! The site was transferred to a new cloud server which in theory will give 100% up time as it does not rely on a single physical server. The transfer was carried out last Sunday and completed in the early hours of Monday morning. Since then there have been no problems with this site! Those of you having problems need to investigate your own PC’s settings (especially cache) and / or question your ISP.[/quote]

I have been trying all day to get on the site and have only just managed to - despite being able to log on fine last night. I have also been getting the ‘Account Suspended’ message. I have been doing nothing differently, and have changed no settings, so why is that i can get on sometimes but not at other times? Why are several people all getting the same problem? Why has this only been happening in the last week (since the server change!)?

Mike, there is obviously an issue somewhere here. It is too coincidental for multiple people to be getting identical problems.[/quote]

I was one of those that asked your advise yesterday. I tried last night successfully to get on the site. However, it failed miserably this morning? I have cleared cache like you suggested, but it still seems very hit & miss?

I can only repeat : there is nothing wrong at the server! Any problems experienced this week are user-end problems, either with the individual pc or with the ISP. What this shows is that a lot of people have ‘lazy’ ISPs who do not update anywhere near as often as they should. It is obvious that a lot of people are being served out of date data, trying to get to the old server which no longer exists, hence the error messages.

You should be getting the site from the ip address 213.175.215.106. If you are getting it from any other ip, then as I said above there is a problem either with your pc’s settings or your ISP using out of date information.

Usual advice is to allow up to 24 hours for changes to take effect, 48 hours at the outside. In practise the time taken has usually been less than half an hour in my experience, at home I was picking up from the new nameservers this time in just a few minutes.

Complain to your ISPs, but first make sure it is not your own pc cacheing - flush the browser cache and try running ipconfig /flushdns from the command prompt. Run something like ccleaner. Try using the opendns servers for your DNS : ips are - 208.67.222.222 and
208.67.220.220. There is nothing I can do or need to do with the server, it is running perfectly and has been all week.

eligorton wrote:

[quote]Thought for a minute you were going to blame the referee Mike.
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Everyone at the ground yesterday, players and spectators alike, knows that what we witnessed from the officials did not remotely approach an acceptable standard. To say they were an utter disgrace would be to massively overstate their competence and integrity, in my opinion.

In the last two games that I have seen, home to Glapwell and Carlton, the most important and decisive factor in the games has not been the relative ability of the two teams, not been the relative fitness of the teams, not been the tactics used by the teams, not been the commitment shown by the teams, it has not been anything at all to do with the teams. It has been the performance of the officials. This is clearly wrong, but we all know that nothing will happen - they are sacrosanct, more infallible than the pope!

Mike_T wrote:

[quote]I can only repeat : there is nothing wrong at the server! Any problems experienced this week are user-end problems, either with the individual pc or with the ISP. What this shows is that a lot of people have ‘lazy’ ISPs who do not update anywhere near as often as they should. It is obvious that a lot of people are being served out of date data, trying to get to the old server which no longer exists, hence the error messages.

You should be getting the site from the ip address 213.175.215.106. If you are getting it from any other ip, then as I said above there is a problem either with your pc’s settings or your ISP using out of date information.

Usual advice is to allow up to 24 hours for changes to take effect, 48 hours at the outside. In practise the time taken has usually been less than half an hour in my experience, at home I was picking up from the new nameservers this time in just a few minutes.

Complain to your ISPs, but first make sure it is not your own pc cacheing - flush the browser cache and try running ipconfig /flushdns from the command prompt. Run something like ccleaner. Try using the opendns servers for your DNS : ips are - 208.67.222.222 and
208.67.220.220. There is nothing I can do or need to do with the server, it is running perfectly and has been all week.[/quote]

Mike,

Whilst I appreciate the great job that you do with this fantastic website, this information, posted on the website that I have been unable to access all week, has not helped me, as it has been in the one place I couldn’t see it.

I am now however able to see this site, so that is no longer the issue. What is the issue is that we have lost yet another match. I can make no comment on the match, or the performance itself, as I was not there, however, this result is detrimental to our promotion hopes. I feel that if we do not gain promotion this year, then we will be at this level for some time to come.

Hopefully we can get some good results in the coming weeks.

Purely as a back-up to this forum a separate new forum has been created off the club’s official website. A full message is on there to this effect.

The standard of officials in the league/s,have allways been of a poor standard.