I think you will find that you are wrong we have a 3 year rental agreement and I have been told we also have the option to extend for another 3 years which means where you go we go.[/quote]
I think you will find it will be at least 10 years before any move is undertaken. More likely it will be something like 15 years.
Another 15 years of threads like this to look forward to. Terrific.
Interesting Debate, some quick points if I may:-
Covenants can be lifted and wills and wishes overturned - the Drill Field was a prime example of that.
JRFC do NOT have a 3 year lease, either party has the right to terminate it after each year (Info from Mark Harris before it gets questioned)
Use of the word laundered and money as regards to people or organisations I would suggest people be very careful.
Why move away from a new urban village and by definition an influx of new customers/future supporters? Yes WP is looking a little tired but its more than adequate for our needs plus there will be a windfall from the Roberts land which we have a sell on clause for.
Are we really capable and do we have the infrastructure to run a leisure complex?
[quote=“Andy Chad” post=59831]Interesting Debate, some quick points if I may:-
Covenants can be lifted and wills and wishes overturned - the Drill Field was a prime example of that.
JRFC do NOT have a 3 year lease, either party has the right to terminate it after each year (Info from Mark Harris before it gets questioned)
Use of the word laundered and money as regards to people or organisations I would suggest people be very careful.
Why move away from a new urban village and by definition an influx of new customers/future supporters? Yes WP is looking a little tired but its more than adequate for our needs plus there will be a windfall from the Roberts land which we have a sell on clause for.
Are we really capable and do we have the infrastructure to run a leisure complex?[/quote]
Excellent post Chad.
[quote=“Andy Chad” post=59831]Interesting Debate, some quick points if I may:-
Vic’s are now back home do you really think they will want to leave now where would they go. If Witton and Vic’s are happy with the rent money situation now nothing will change in the future. We’re here for the long haul if you’re happy taking our money what will change to change that.
Covenant on Gladstone Club and the Bowling Green in town, what happened there? Covenant on the land owned by Sir John Deane’s, now the Kingsmead bypass, what happened there.
WHS.
Blackie, referring to “Laundered Rent Money” in print could get you sued by Mr Rushe, he loves going to court so if I were you, as I said before, I would remove your statements.
WHS.
Can I please ask the person in control of this site to delete these Vics supporters from OUR site. They have nothing constructive to say so why put up with them? I was NEVER in favour of one of these teams sharing OUR ground and I am certainly not in favour of them sharing OUR forum, I can start enough arguments on this site without the help of these sad people. One had the temerity to say our board messed up the last time we moved, what did their board do with the sale of their ground, their TWO great cup runs? Bankrupted the club not once but several times. Time to delete these interlopers, at least from this forum!!
WHS.
WHS.
[quote=“WHS” post=59840]Can I please ask the person in control of this site to delete these Vics supporters from OUR site. They have nothing constructive to say so why put up with them? I was NEVER in favour of one of these teams sharing OUR ground and I am certainly not in favour of them sharing OUR forum, I can start enough arguments on this site without the help of these sad people. One had the temerity to say our board messed up the last time we moved, what did their board do with the sale of their ground, their TWO great cup runs? Bankrupted the club not once but several times. Time to delete these interlopers, at least from this forum!!
WHS.
WHS.[/quote]
I’ve never had a bad word to say against Witton supporters.
How about we organise a get to know your neighbours event something like a joint fans charity event in aid of Help for Hero’s.?
WHS, you are absolutely right. Just ignore them and they will soon get bored.
[quote=“WHS” post=59839]Blackie, referring to “Deleted” in print could get you sued by Mr Rushe, he loves going to court so if I were you, as I said before, I would remove your statements.
WHS.[/quote]
Hmm, I think asking someone to edit a post while repeating the offending words in your own post kind of defeats the object
(Which is why I’ve not repeated them)
“Don’t mention the war! I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!”
I was merely making a suggestion, if he deletes the posts my comment will make little sense, which is not unusual for me!! But if I can delete my comments I will I don’t want a certain person to make more money!!
WHS.
Question? How do you delete an entry?
WHS.
If we do move away from Wincham it will be a very sad day, I will always remember leaving the Central Ground which again was extremely upsetting but to move forward it needed to be done.
I think we would all agree we need to produce revenue on an increased scale if we wish to continue at the level we are at. It will only get harder as the years pass by and as you walk around the ground on match days I see the same faces that I’ve seen for the past thirty five years. We need the younger generation to start supporting our club.
I accept that the introduction of the premier league on TV has not helped as does the close proximity of four premier league clubs.
I think Andy Chad’s idea of being part of the Urban Village is an excellent one, why not get involved in it instead of just moving, utilise what we already have which is an excellent ground that just needs a little TLC. I’ve not been to many grounds at our level that I would say are as good as ours.
I have total faith in Mark and the board to make the right choice and secure the long term future of our club
Ever since this housing development has been considered, our Chairman has maintained that Witton Albion Football Club are not compelled to go anywhere. We as a football club and a business, are in a win- win situation because if we stay put we attract new paying customers and potentially more revenue to the club. On the other hand, if we move then the new facilities will be provided.
Thanks for clarifying that Wheels, the opening posts suggested to me that we would be compelled to move however it seems that is not the case. As you say it must be a win,win situation for the club, so many factors to be taken into consideration in due course but very interesting and exciting times ahead.
Really against any move unless its a really good deal. Our chairman has taken the stance over the last 2 or 3 years that its better to stay put and “milk” the housing that will be built around the stadium with even a Tesco style shop being built with all profits going to Witton. This seems an infitely better idea to me and also utilise the club to open 7 days a week for use by those in the housing. So ok if in years to come developers get desperate and off us a a ground the same as we got now with 1.5 million extra then that might be worth considering.
I’m sure Mark is astute enough to know that you can’t move for movings sake it has to be as good if not better for us than it is now so I can’t see whats changed other than CWAC announcing the development is going ahead. Yes we are sitting pretty but we can’t be complacent. Andrew Chadwicks post is a good one and sums up the situation perfectly. If we are looking for some land how about the Black greyhound which already has some buildings in place that might be able to be converted into a social club. Any move we do has to be managed carefully and our finances maximised while getting a ground equivalent to what we have now with maybe the addition of 4g pitch for commnity use.
As for 1874 the club is run by decent people who as far as I know are honest and trustworthy and just want the best for their club within strict financial guidelines. Its not their fault their mums and dads brought them up wrong wearing green instead of red nappies!!. Seriously though I do think 1874 is run along good lines by decent people so no sour grapes from me good luck to them.
As for Moss Farm I live overlooking the place and the covenent means nothing especially where CWAC are involved as they just bend the rules to suit. I think there would be a huge outcry if they were to build houses on it but a football club with a pitch etc is a diffrent thing all together. The other other thing is I’m sure CWAC will be looking to get out of managing it down there so looking for an organisation to do that which could mean selling or renting the complex. Its a loss leader to them at the moment.
I’m quite happy if we go there and lets face it there is some infrastucture there already for us to utilise provided it means us having at least £1.5 Million in the bank as well as a decent stadium to play in.
Its not going to happen for years anyway and who knows who will be running Witton albion by then lot of water to yet flow under the bridge. But the main thing is WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. Other Clubs like Vics and 1874 perhpas don’t have the same amount of freedom as they don’t own any infrastructure.
Onward and Upward new season to look forward too playing on Wincham Park
Great post MONA and I agree with everything you say. The only question I would ask is why would we want to move the excellent (recently refurbished) social club away from the ground if we were to stay at WP? I would understand land, such as the black greyhound land, being purchased and used for other things but I’m not sure why we would want to move one of our biggest sources of income away? I would have thought many fans, both home and away, pop in for a quick pint before and after the games given the location whereas they might be reluctant to do so it was further away from the ground?
I think your at cross purposes here , I don’t think Mona was suggesting that we move the social club to the Black Greyhound, only that there are existing buildings that could be utilised as part of any move?
In any event, I think that’s a non-starter. Developers are already talking about plans for housing on that site
Sorry Paul S I confused the issue. What I was getting at is there are existing building at the Black Greyhound which together with the field that ajoins it could be converted into a social club alongside the ground if we could get the land and so save a bit of money. Obviously some of the stuff like concrete panels surrounding the ground, furniture terracing and such like could be utilised down there to build a new ground cheaply. What we don’t want is to move and have an inferior ground and hardly any money surplus in the bank To my mind 1.5 million in the bank invested to give us a monthly income would mean we would have very few if at all financial issues and secure the club for many years to come. However it is’nt worth it if its only 0.5 million better to stay put and create a better infrastucture on top of what we have to create more income from the new housing as 0.5 million would soon be eaten away. Just my view anyways. Obviously at Moss Farm there is an existing infrastucture anyway with the old baths building , car parking and possibility of renting some of the other pitches provided CWAC would let witton have it cheap enough. Not sure what MR Sam Naylor would think about this as there would have to be some guarantee for Northwich Rugby club to carry on and Sam is now a prominent local councillour but as I say we are lucky cos we have CHOICES others don’t!!