You know I 've been reading these posts , I take them in and understand frustrations because I want to see the ball fly in the back of the net like most of you guys if not all of you.
I’m not interested in agendas back stabbing supporters etc . Ok if someone makes a comment that we are a bunch of chimps expect a back lash from me . Ok !! And face to face !! I don’t mind .
As for availability at the ground ,to get stick or points of views . I was in the club doing the pre match while Matt was away , I was behind the goal as I normally am . I got stick for the ball going out of play and the bench not throwing a new ball in , yep stood there I got stick for that . ! I took it … That’s how ridiculous it’s getting.
I previously admitted on here I voted for Carl . My choice in the vote process . Why ? Because I felt he came up with new fresh ideas . New training methods and discipline It was a fresh face managerial wise . I’m not going to disclose on public social media why any other candidate did not make my personal first choice . I stuck my neck out and told you that and why I chose who I did . That should be enough . If im wrong in the long run fine I’ll accept it . Come and slate me off to my face if you like but I’ll stick by my decision even now . This is a semi professional club we think about what we decided in that boardroom . we struggled it want easy , I’ve got to tell you the stress on some members of the board was showing after the interviews and decision making its that important . It had to be the correct decision. Its been a VITAL decision and not taken lightly . it’s ok everyone having a pop and being wise guys ? making smart comments or voicing criticism after the event and yes it’s a free country feel free to do that .
This is real life and we are trying to make the best decisions for Witton Albion FC. Its not about us being boldly big bollox or a bunch of guys pissing people off because we didn’t pick who they wanted . Witton Albion FC will be around long after you and I are gone , hopefully , we just want to do the right thing . And we hope we have .
Look I want EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE to get behind the club . No matter what your differences or thoughts are , because the alternative is self destruction because its been heading that way . And this opinion is from someone who has been around the club since 1965 and believe me I’ve experienced worst than this even at our sacred Central Ground site .
If that’s what you want go ahead do your worst .
Think about the images on the video of the Curzon game and video a few years back Robbo putting up the flags , Andy Chad punching the air in his Witton top , the 500-600 we took there . Don’t we want all that back again ?
We all want the same thing , the ball nestling in the back of that net for us
So this is where we are at admittedly it’s not pleasant , but that’s sport and we have to deal with it we are in a bad place at the moment. but 154 attending and the shit dished out afterwards is not going to make things better. Let’s have some encouragement, some real support for the red and white stripes .thats all that matters to me , And I reckon anyone else who is a true Witton Supporter up to you and everyone to stop the infighting and get onboard .
Trev
Should you get stick for things out of your control? No absolutely not. Should anyone doubt your passion towards the club with all the work you do? Again no.
But lets be very clear, are you exempt from criticism because you bought your way into the boardroom? No you aren’t. This isn’t communist China. People are allowed an opinion if they are unhappy and there are a LOT of unhappy people. If you don’t allow them to have these opinions and keep trying to insinuate that because people are unhappy they are not true Witton Albion fans, then they will speak with their feet and not come to games. Which is exactly what is happening.
So as a board you need to sit down and have a good long hard look a that. Ask yourselves why are people taking to public forums (and it isn’t just one or two, it’s a fair few) to vent their frustrations. Ask yourself why attendances are down to some of the lowest the club has seen in a long long time. Ask yourself why there is no discipline in the dressing room with players seemingly doing what they want, when they want. The common factor in all of this is the boardroom. Same at every single football club in the world.
You nail your colours to the mast and say that you wanted Carl to be manager. You say he said he’d bring fresh ideas to the club with training methods etc. Did nobody stop and ask themselves if these were the same training methods that won him 5 in 36 games at Marine? And can you answer me this - what was so different and fresh about Carl that caused you to chose him over a PROVEN promotion winner in Brian Pritchard. I also heard on Saturday that Carl wasn’t your first choice (this information came from your inner circle) and YOU actually preferred a third applicant. That might be rumour but when your mates are telling people that on the terraces it causes me to think why the U turn. Have you been got at by another board member who has won your vote?Is this is whats happening behind the closed doors of the boardroom.
Trev - you paid your money to get your free brew and sandwiches at half time. With that comes responsibility to be able to justify your decision making and be held to account when the shareholders and fans see fit. We have an ever decreasing band of volunteers that don’t get a free brew at half time and work ten times as hard at the club than most of the boardroom (this is nothing new by the way), so don’t come on here and cry that you do x,y and z for the club when there are many others who do far more than you.
If you want the fans to shut up and stop asking questions then we will end up with a club like Vics. 50 or 60 ‘Yes’ men who will blindly follow the club and its dictatorship through anything that is thrown at them. This appears to be what you want on the face of it. You are asking for blind faith.
Finally as it was myself who made the ‘Chimps’ comment I need to clear something up. This was in response to someone telling me to put my money up and get into the boardroom. I didn’t call you all Chimps, I said I’d rather work with chimps. There is a subtle difference!! You werent so bothered when you were on Facebook laughing and joking about it, belittling the fact that the comment had been made. But look further than this comment, I’ve been an Albion follower for many a year. I’ve volunteered at the club, I’ve been a season ticket holder. Ill health and other issues means I can’t get to all home games but I get to most. I attend all fans forums and support the club through the lottery/traceys bucket/golden goal/programmes etc. I usually sponsor a player. I PAY MY MONEY AND I AM ENTITLED TO AN OPINION. I’ve been through rough times with the club but somehow this feels different. This feels like the end and that worries me.
Heres my opinion spelt out nice and clear for you - I do not feel that you and the board are making decisions that are in the best interests of Witton Albion at this moment in time. I also do not trust the board. So there you go, nice and simple. If you genuinely care (which I do not doubt for one minute) you are perfectly placed to bring about change, so do it. Show the fans that you understand by not simply nodding along with the rest of the board then making a half arsed attempt to justify it. Stand up and be counted. Get the board to host a fans forum and I gladly come along and tell you this.
Well there we go again , all gossip and wrong .Carl was my first choice , there was another candidate who would have been my second choice .
No it’s not China , and we have in the past arranged fans forums and also recently gave everyone the opportunity to come to the boardroom and talk . I recently mentioned this on here . We stayed there on the arranged night until 9pm , not one person came . They prefer to type on here . Free world do that .
I only posted on here my honest opinion as a supporter to try and reason with some common sense . In reaction to your and many others posts . I’ve explained the best I can .thats it . and you can go on forever analysing every word looking for something to jump on.
If that’s not good enough for you or anyone else fine , go and find someone else to do it . , I’ll step down .as of now . More than happy to do that
. By the way there’s a sporting dinner I’ve arranged for tonight to raise cash for the club . Perhaps you can find someone to step in and sort out for today .?
So just for clarity, because you do some (very good and appreciated) things for the club to try and get more money then you are beyond criticism?
I think a lot of what is being said on this forum has been the boards own doing. Is it correct that Brian was offered the managers job only to have it taken away from him. Can we have the truth please.
For the fear of repeating myself . , feel free to say what you like , criticise all you want . I’m not exempt from any of it . I’m just saying it doesn’t help . Especially at this time .
I’ve held my hands up here and admitted my choice and why . Do you want blood ???
I’ve told you what I definitely know . How I came to my decision . The other board members had theirs .
As for Brian , no one told me before the interviews if there was any official offers or promises or not .as far as I was concerned Brian was one of 4 applicants and that’s it . So I can’t comment on that . I’ve seen comments on here and Facebook suggesting there was offers etc , it was new to me .
. Like I said we’ve got to put this to bed and stick together that’s not an order from China so feel free to do as you wish .
Thanks for your honesty Trev, you made a decision for what you believed were the best interests of the club, some disagree but I dont get the abuse on here towards you, first they moan that no one talks about it ! you do and then get stick, and to slate you for buying into boardroom teas wtf, you were asked to be a board member I recall and like others put time and money in to help the club-Its the same old problem between Boardroom and fans yes the board has made mistakes everyone does but the criticism on here does get personal it tends to involve gossip and rumour used to stoke the flames ! I dont agree with many decisions made by the board ,managers and even Pritch made many mistakes as a manager but as a supporter I support the club, the board and the manager until it changes and this split is very damaging to the club as you said, so for me its get on with jobs as usual and support the club. UTA
Can I just ask those who disagree with Carl’s appointment what they want the outcome to be?
Carl has the job and is in post. There cannot be a sudden about turn now without plunging the club into the NWCL. (in my view). So we are where we are, as the saying goes.
I have no doubt that the Board will hold a forum at some point and will also be asked questions at the next AGM. If sufficient fans feel that they have enough votes and can mount a viable alternative, they will have the opportunity to put forward proposals at that meeting.
Pritch is a legend at this club - and always will be. I am not privvy to the discussions that happened or how the decision was made. If Pritch was badly treated, then the club needs to work hard to repair that relationship and make amends, but I suspect even Pritch, despite his treatment, wouldn’t want this club to descend into chaos. Off the pitch there is a huge amount of good work being done and the club is in a better position to achieve supporters aspirations than it has been for a many a year. Now we need to turn that into success on the pitch.
That can only be done by swallowing disappointments, having rational debates at the appropriate times and getting behind the players on the pitch. If we don’t do that then the opportunities we have will be lost.
So I go back to my start point - what is it that you really want?
Just to put the record straight in another less important fact
Free tea and sandwich ? I can count on one hand how many times I’ve gone in there at half time . I’ve even been told off for still paying to get in !!
I very rarely take up on away hospitality. I go on a supporters coach with my mates , when one is ran . Prefer it to a players bus .
I stand behind the goal and f and blind with rest of my mates . I recently helped in the press box while Phil was away . I hated watching the match there . I’m in the club having a beer will talk to anyone. I’m no billy big bollox !! There no “inner circle” So not been a free ride for me matey !!
Colin there is no personal abuse, but tell me anything that I’ve said that is wrong? Some of it is my opinion and some of it is questions that as a fan I would like answering.
What do I want? I want a manager who will get us out of this mess and a boardroom who show some signs of ambition. I don’t feel we’ve got either sadly. But that’s my opinion.
Trev I’m sorry you feel offended by my questioning. I don’t see you at games so much as you are busy and I tend not to go in the social club after games. However the points still stand and I’m sorry if you don’t like the heat during this ‘crisis’ then get out of the kitchen.
We need leaders. We need strong people making the right decisions for footballing and business reasons. I don’t think we have either right now. I don’t think that we have the right man at the helm in Carl and it’s no slur on him as a man. I look purely at his record. Tony Sullivan was a lovely bloke but wasn’t the right man for the job (seem to remember you were very vocal about him CJ).
So UTA - you want strong leaders - but at the moment you don’t have alternatives to the current board? If you do then present them to shareholders at the next AGM.
If not then stop abusing the current incumbents who, despite your thoughts, are are acting (in the best way that they are able) in the interests of WAFC
Where is the abuse?
And it’s the same old rheotric. Just because I am not suggesting alternatives does that mean I have to accept the current crap?
And there was some good alternatives in the past few years. All have walked away. Speaks volumes that.
Get your heads out of the sand and look at what’s happening here. The league table doesn’t lie.
[quote=“Upthealbs” post=62200]
But lets be very clear, are you exempt from criticism because you bought your way into the boardroom? No you aren’t. This isn’t communist China. People are allowed an opinion if they are unhappy and there are a LOT of unhappy people. If you don’t allow them to have these opinions and keep trying to insinuate that because people are unhappy they are not true Witton Albion fans, then they will speak with their feet and not come to games. Which is exactly what is happening.
So as a board you need to sit down and have a good long hard look a that. Ask yourselves why are people taking to public forums (and it isn’t just one or two, it’s a fair few) to vent their frustrations. Ask yourself why attendances are down to some of the lowest the club has seen in a long long time. Ask yourself why there is no discipline in the dressing room with players seemingly doing what they want, when they want. The common factor in all of this is the boardroom. Same at every single football club in the world.
You nail your colours to the mast and say that you wanted Carl to be manager. You say he said he’d bring fresh ideas to the club with training methods etc. Did nobody stop and ask themselves if these were the same training methods that won him 5 in 36 games at Marine? And can you answer me this - what was so different and fresh about Carl that caused you to chose him over a PROVEN promotion winner in Brian Pritchard. I also heard on Saturday that Carl wasn’t your first choice (this information came from your inner circle) and YOU actually preferred a third applicant. That might be rumour but when your mates are telling people that on the terraces it causes me to think why the U turn. Have you been got at by another board member who has won your vote?Is this is whats happening behind the closed doors of the boardroom.
Trev - you paid your money to get your free brew and sandwiches at half time. With that comes responsibility to be able to justify your decision making and be held to account when the shareholders and fans see fit. We have an ever decreasing band of volunteers that don’t get a free brew at half time and work ten times as hard at the club than most of the boardroom (this is nothing new by the way), so don’t come on here and cry that you do x,y and z for the club when there are many others who do far more than you.
If you want the fans to shut up and stop asking questions then we will end up with a club like Vics. 50 or 60 ‘Yes’ men who will blindly follow the club and its dictatorship through anything that is thrown at them. This appears to be what you want on the face of it. You are asking for blind faith
Heres my opinion spelt out nice and clear for you - I do not feel that you and the board are making decisions that are in the best interests of Witton Albion at this moment in time. I also do not trust the board. So there you go, nice and simple. If you genuinely care (which I do not doubt for one minute) you are perfectly placed to bring about change, so do it. Show the fans that you understand by not simply nodding along with the rest of the board then making a half arsed attempt to justify it. Stand up and be counted. Get the board to host a fans forum and I gladly come along and tell you this.[/quote]
Great post!
This club is being run like a dictatorship! It’s all about power and control! Dundas was very clear that the interference from the chair impacted upon his role as a manager. When what should have happened is support put in place to get the club back on track.
Do you are saying that Pritch wasn’t even in your top 2? My God! What a sorry state this club is in. I certainly hope that decision doesn’t come back to haunt you if we get relegated to the deep dark depths of NWC.
Respect that fans are disappointed / angry / upset about the state of the club and like has been previously said ask yourself why people are coming on here to vent their frustrations, why fans are voting with their new feet, why the discipline is a problem, why we are sinking to the bottom of the table etc and address these issues
First of all a big thank you to Trevor for coming on here and letting the fans know how he came to his decision, very brave as he was putting himself in the firing line so i applaud you.
I do believe a fans forum would be a good idea where questions can be asked face to face one evening on the Social Club, theres a lot of anger and frustration around the club at the moment and we cant move on until this is put to bed!
As for Trev using his status for free tea and biscuits this is so far from the truth believe me, he pays into the ground which he doesn’t need to do, he drinks in the Club with other supporters and stays clear of the boardroom on match days and just remember that if it wasnt for Trev the Tea hut could of closed!
Thankfully Trevs 5 Berties Pies every game keep the Tea hut going 
[quote=“Matt Cat” post=62214]First of all a big thank you to Trevor for coming on here and letting the fans know how he came to his decision, very brave as he was putting himself in the firing line so i applaud you.
I do believe a fans forum would be a good idea where questions can be asked face to face one evening on the Social Club, theres a lot of anger and frustration around the club at the moment and we cant move on until this is put to bed!
As for Trev using his status for free tea and biscuits this is so far from the truth believe me, he pays into the ground which he doesn’t need to do, he drinks in the Club with other supporters and stays clear of the boardroom on match days and just remember that if it wasnt for Trev the Tea hut could of closed!
Thankfully Trevs 5 Berties Pies every game keep the Tea hut going ;)[/quote]
Ok I’ll stand corrected on that and maybe I have done Trev a disservice personally there. I also applaud his honesty but as he’s the only one who has put his neck out from the boardroom he is getting the stick.
Trev it’s not personal and I have alluded to all that you do in a previous post. But everything I said still stands as relevant. And to be fair you’ve made a decision I don’t agree with and I’ve asked you to tell us why Carl was better than the other candidates and you’ve given me nothing on this.
I responded on here against my better judgement . That appears to have been the wrong decision . Like Colin said some people wanted some comment etc ,
So I gave an honest one gave details to the best I could , I got slated with usual smart remarks . And then you try to deny that you said them , ,ok I thought no problem I replied to that . . In response I’ve been told to get out of the kitchen etc etc . Fine .
We can go to and fro for ever .agueing the toss But let’s hope for a few good results coz that what it’s about , it’s amazing what that can do and all this stupid falling out can stop .
I agree. Not holding my breath though.
I’m done.
He did give you his reasons-Carl interviewed better and presented a better plan with a fresh approach and new ideas, personally I would have gone for Pritch - irrespective of interviews and I fully understand the loyalty to him and anger at him not getting the job ? but based on the 5 man panel Carl was selected I dont agree - but he is the new manager of my club and he will get my full support until I feel different about it as I did with Sully, as I did with Dundas but when it goes wrong I will challenge his decisions as you are here ! but I will give them a decent chance Carl is gettng pilloried on here before he has started -it is not his fault he was selected so I am behind Carl and despite them making mistakes I support the board as well - because I think they make decisions which they believe are for the best and commercially we are improving, they now need to get the football right by supporting Carl, if it goes wrong again then maybe if we have an alternative as a shareholder and fan I am open to consider it but we have not ! so we need to support our club through this crisis and move on surely.
In response to ADD and his comments regarding a dictatorship - this club is run by an elected board of directors on behalf of WAFC Ltd. If you don’t like what they do, then go to the AGM and exercise your rights as a shareholder. It isn’t a democracy (and never will be under the current company status) where every decision is put to a supporter vote. You might not approve of some of their decisions, but remember without many of the guys currently at the helm, this club may not exist at all. Go and talk to Mark Harris, I am sure he will have a rational discussion with you.
In the mean time lets ALL get behind the team on the pitch
[quote=“Upthealbs” post=62212]Where is the abuse?
And it’s the same old rheotric. Just because I am not suggesting alternatives does that mean I have to accept the current crap?
And there was some good alternatives in the past few years. All have walked away. Speaks volumes that.
Get your heads out of the sand and look at what’s happening here. The league table doesn’t lie.[/quote]
Someone who talks sense!