Witton v Fleetwood

We got it wrong yesterday simple as.1-11 all had bad days at the office, and I’m sure we will see one hell of a backlash on Saturday!

Lets make sure WE all keep the faith, and try to encourage the hundreds of lapsed/newcomers to the club to return again on Saturday.

Its a big defeat for us, but its heaped a whole load of pressure on Fleetwood who according to their fans are Championees already!

Final word, great attendance and the decision to segregate was fully vindicated, and expertly done by JE, IS and co.

I dont think Jim, Nige and the lads need reminding about yesterdays game, put it to bed, dust ourselves down and get on with it. Of course it hurts, we wernt at the races and the best team won on the day, lets move on, you lot who are in suicide mode try watching West Brom!

There are bad performances, terrible performances, gut-wrenchingly awful performances, and then there are, once in an eternity, performances such as Witton’s yesterday.

It started with the surrealness of their first goal, where the goalscorer appeared almost embarrassed that he was left on his own, with Witton players queuing up saying “No, after you, Sir”, none of them wanting to get within five yards of him. Even when he put it in the net, with Kennedy standing watching it go past him, there was a pause before celebrations started, because no one could quite believe what had happened.

From that point onwards the atmosphere in the crowd was absolutely dire, because Witton didn’t even try to get back into the game. There was very quickly a feeling that the game was lost.

There are a few comments saying Fleetwood played well. To my mind, Fleetwood didn’t play well or play badly. They just turned up and waited for us to give them the ball. I don’t think we could tell anything about the quality of the Fleetwood side from that game. One thing’s for sure: Fleetwood won’t have had an easier game this season.

Did we throw the match? If we did, we did it badly and too obviously. You never know though, it might come out in a few years’ time.

Did Jim try one of his ‘tactical plans’ like he did at Gateshead? Trying to make sense of what happened, it seems to me that Jim probably told the players to play in a certain way like he did against Gateshead, but a different way, a way that they were not used to, and which none of them really understood, with the result being the disaster we witnessed. Every player in the Witton side seemed to want to hide and be carried by all the other players, because he wasn’t sure what he was supposed to be doing.

To those who are saying this team is as good as the one in the early 90s, a comment I heard from another fan summed it up. “Would Andy Grimshaw and the rest of them in the 90s side have given up the fight as easily as that lot did out there yesterday?”, he asked. I think you’ll find the answer is no. There’s absolutely no comparison.

The team is going to have to work hard to make a convincing case that they don’t all get scared in big matches with big crowds. I remember a comment from a Telford fan in the playoff last year who said the Witton players training near them before the match started looked frightened to death in front of a large, aggressive, opposing crowd.

By the way, did anyone see a hard tackle from a Witton player yesterday?

I don’t think I’ve seen a game like yesterdays in my life before,I honestly couldn’t believe what I was seeing !
BUT !! no one, repeat no one has the right to abuse the players or management team after the fantastic season they have had so far, the unbeaten home run was always going to end one day its just a sickener it had to be on the most important day of the season.
How any supporter of a team 8 points clear at the top of the table at the end of March can hold their head up after giving the manager or his players abuse is beyond me, if we have just one bad home game every season we’ll be playing Chelsea in 6 or 7 seasons time, better extend the car park !!!
Fleetwood are on cloud 9 today but a lot can change over a few weeks, don’t we just know it.

I admittidly vented my frustration at Jim at full time, i didnt slate him or the team, i just told him how embarrassing the performance was.
I spoke to Jim after the game when we had both calmed down, I apologised the emotion of the afternoon just got on top of me, he assured me not to worry and that we will be going up. I needed to hear that from him, he is i guy i truly respect for how he has improved us as a club. I was 7 years old when i went to wembley in 1992, i only thought that we would improve from there to see us relegated twice was heartbreaking. Jim steered us close to promotion FINALLY last season, and we fell at the final hurdle. Though im sure it won’t hapen again this time around.

After a nights sleep i’m starting to forget about yesterday and waking up this morning and looking at the position we are in, it’s exciting. We are going up boys, and i just can’t wait for Saturday!

[size=5][color=#FF0000]BE PROUD, BE CONFIDENT AND BELIEVE IN THE BEST TEAM THE UNIBOND LEAGUE HAS SEEN OVER THE LAST TWO SEASONS!!![/color][/size]

This needs to be solemnly recorded somewhere as being possibly the worst performance in Witton’s 100-odd year history - any of the older ones seen anything worse? You don’t get performances like this very often - probably only once (if that) in a spectator’s career - and they are rare gems. Hopefully we can laugh about it at the end of the season, but also be wary that, should we go up, “big” games with bigger crowds will crop up far more often next season.

That performance has shown us how crucial it is we make sure we don’t have to play a playoff game at the end of this season.

Must admit some of the comments i am reading are a bit OTT

Yes we were bad BUT what Jim has done for this club is absolutely amazing and the past two years watching witton has been brilliant.

Negativity and bad feeling will do nothing for this club, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but lets take a moment to have a look at where we are at this present time.

Lets get behind em 3 points on saturday no problem.

COME ON [color=#FF0000]WITERRRRRNNNNNN!!![/color]

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Billywho i disagree that the team get intimidated in big games when there is a large gate. Most of our players have played at a higher level in front of bigger crowds than monday. JK has played in the conference, barras has made a number of football league apperences and liam Brownhill played in front of a big crowd at 2 england c games and played well. loyd, warlow and Rod Thornley have all played under bigger gates than yesterday.I am not going to go through the whole team but you get the picture.

It was just ONE bad performance all season at home. Would you replace any of our players with any Fleetwood players you saw on saturday:unsure: I know i would not.

As a team there is certainly an argument to suggest that we freeze in big games. HOWEVER, i’m not sure whether it is just an unfortunate coincidence. In big games v Rushden and V*cs last season we were arguably the better side - and also against Telford in the league game, eventually being beaten by an unlucky goal.

We have to remember that the bulk of our side is a young team. Warlow, Lloyd, Coo, Brownhill, Brown, and Peers are all under 25 (with a few of those lads being 21 or under). Jim is also a fairly young manager. Games like Monday are a learning curve for everybody.

My honest opinion of the game was that the midfield 3 of Macca, lloyd, and Brown didn’t seem confident in the role that they were playing. When we have played Macca and Lloyd in the centre, Lloyd has been the deeper of the 2 - sitting infront of the back 4 alot of the time. From what i can gather on Monday, it was Macca who was asked to sit deeper. I felt that Lloyd naturally fell back, as this is the role he has become used to playing. Macca was also sat deep, as he had been asked to, and i think that dragged Alex back too. As a result our defense didn’t get out quick enough and the midfield were right on top of them. This resulted in the first goal IMO. It also meant that Adam was left isolated further up the field, meaning we couldn’t get out of our own half for alot of the first 45 minutes. That’s how i saw it from where i was stood anyway.

8 games gives Fleetwood plenty of time to slip up. There are plenty of twists and turns left! We just need to go out and win every game and then we’ve at least done our bit.

An interesting twist of fate is that Fleetwood have Frickley at home on the last day of the season… Sound familiar to anyone?

I once had a bird shit on one of my caricatures:ohmy: We all have bad days. Forget about it and move on;)

Make no bones about it Fleetwood are good. The main reason for this is that although not a flair side like us they are strong, resilent and determined and lets be fair they’ve been consistent all season like ourselves. With 8 matches to go they can slip up though, its just for us now their is no margin for error we simply have to win the next five games. With 4 at home and North Ferriby away we should be able to do this and a good result on Saturday will get us going again I’m sure. Jim is the best thing thats happened at the club for years and I’m sure he’ll have everyone up for the run in especially after Monday. There is no more motivation required than to come out more determined and playing with the formation that has served us so well over the season. That means playing 2 up front and Lloydie playing where he normally plays!! Lets get back to playing the pattern we are used to our passing game is our strength!

Its amazing what poor memories exist out there! To billywho to suggest that was the worst ever performance is so far wide of the mark its laughable.

Whilst this is a forum it always amazes me that people are a lot keener to post and give an opinion when we lose than when we win, like football phone-ins they should be renamed moan-ins!

We’ve endured whole seasons of abject tosh, not just one game under the likes of Les Sutton, Ranson, Finlay, McKenzie et al.

Specific games if you like which have been far worse - Bishop Stortford away Trophy (6-1), Welling home in Conf got bt at least 5, Grantham away in cup or trophy under Mckenzie, Chorley away under Ranson, Gretna away under Gleghorn (the sober one midweek!), Winsford CSC Final at Crewe 78ish! Even Southport Lge Cup, and Congleton FAC under my mate Stan were far worse than yesterday.

I could go on but its getting painful!!!

Ahhhh think Wycombe, Marine and Colchester away and the pain floats away!

In my 30 odd years of watching Witton we have only had 3 purple periods (The Brian Booth era, The Stan Allan era which Pete O Brien/The board managed to destroy 2 yrs later and the current Jim Vince era!) Punctuate that by one good season under Nige and the picture that emerges is 10 good years in 30 odd!!!

The message is accept the bad times, the mediocre performances and the inexplicable defeats, its all part of being a football SUPPORTER, and it doesn’t half make the good times become taht much sweeter.

EIEIEIO

But I notice we get the back page headlines in the Guardian with our first home defeat.

Somewhat typical.

GE

Perhaps the biggest disappointment was the missed opportunity to impress the newcomers in the crowd as to our capability. It’ll be very interesting to see the attendance on Saturday given that we had approx double our average watching us last Monday (taking into account the Fleetwood contingent)

I agree with the above comment that Fleetwood were nothing special. They didn’t have to be, to beat what was in front of them. Tactics seemed all wrong. Hopefully we can learn from it.

The character of an individual or team is measured by how they react to adversity…

1 Ilkeston Town 8 5 2 1 16 7 +9 17
2 Eastwood Town 8 5 1 2 15 8 +7 16
3 Fleetwood Town 8 5 1 2 11 5 +6 16
4 Gateshead 8 4 2 2 15 8 +7 14
5 Witton Albion 8 4 2 2 13 7 +6 14

Looking at the form guide from the last 8 games, Fleetwood took 16 points. If they take 16 from the next 8 (still a big ask looking at their fixtures), that would put them on 87 points. That scenario would leave us needing 8 points from our remaining 5 games. In other words, 3 wins from 5 could very well win us the league.

OK, it’s all just ifs and buts - BUT it does look alot better when you have something to cling to… :stuck_out_tongue:

I reckon 4 out of 5 wins should see us home for the title it’s going to be hard for Fleetwood to win all 8 games especially with trips away on Tuesday night’s to likes of Buxton and Lincoln.
I think Monday will turn out to be good thing and give us the kick up the backside that we needed and make us push on and win this league.

For those who have come on here and slated Jim and the players can you honestly say that you have never made a mistake at work ! Lets remember they are only human (although some of the performances this season have been super human!) things don’t always go the way you want and its how you react to your mistake that counts!

This team is a good team and one I feel will go on and have success for the next few seasons. Someone mentioned how the likes of Grimshaw etc in the 1990 team would have never have given up on Monday but lets not forget that team cost us 50k plus, this potential championship win has been assembled for about £500 so in that way if we do win the league, Jim’s achivement will eclipse that of the 1990 side.

What we need to do now is all join together as supporters, forget Monday that’s over! Bring everyone you know against Lincoln on saturday and not stop singing and shouting for the team until the final whistle, lets give the lads the support they need in the last furlong of the league campaign!

G E wrote:

[quote]But I notice we get the back page headlines in the Guardian with our first home defeat.

Somewhat typical.

GE[/quote]

You can’t selectively pick the weeks you get the back page headlines!!! We have had plenty of our share of the headlines over the past few months and have to accept that due to the manner of the defeat it is a big and topical piece of news - reflected by the number of posts on this forum and the FTFC forum!

It is the fact it is our first home defeat which makes it such big news - how good is that at the end of March!!!

Press, radio and other media are not there to only report the good news! I am sure Avram Grant was not too chuffed when he picked up his copy of the ‘current bun’ the day after the Carling Cup Final!

Our performances this season have demanded an equal share of local reporting and in my opinion we have received this - both the Guardian and the Chronicle have given us excellent coverage this year in print and online. The local journos have attended more games than in previous seasons and the volume as well as the standard of reporting is exceptional for non-league clubs. If you buy a copy of many local papers the non-league clubs attract nothing more than a paragraph and the results!

Easy to knock the press but our performance was the reason for the headline, not bad reporting! Perhaps we would prefer it if they wrote nothing (oh no we have been there before).

The team creates the news! Perhaps we would prefer reading all about Vics’ tremendous home win on Saturday! I think we should be a little more grateful to Messers Simpson and Buckley for their support rather than knocking them!

Don’t think there was any criticism levelled at either paper, more an observation…

Something tells me to steer clear of the Cheshire FM phone-in this friday though… :wink:

Tue. 25th September 2007

Witton Albion 0 Altrincham 3

Response from the team : 8 wins and 2 draws from the next ten games, goals for 35, against 9.